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Is "Loud minorities" offensive?

Memes_Are_So_Good
So I was having English with a native teacher where we were listing out the advantages and disadvantages of social media. Then I wrote "Loud minorities" as both, with the advantage being that the most opressed and silent minorities in real life could have a voice and share their ideas and thoughts more openly on the virtual world, whilst the disavantages was that the most obnoxious scumbags could spread their hatreds to a wider range of people. But for some reason he got mad, pulled me out of class and said I was a "loud minority" myself and got my behaviorial points deducted. Could I be having any misinterpretations of the phrase?

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no_where_left_to_go•
You are misusing the term a bit. The term loud minority (or more often vocal minority) means a belief, opinion that is over-represented based on how prevalent it is. The term is often used to dismiss a belief but isn't itself an insult. It's the opposite of "silent majority."
ArmeWandergeselle•
He could've asked you what you meant but instead acted aggressively. I think he is in the wrong.
ursulawinchester•
I would expect that “Minorities” without any qualifier (ie. religious minorities or minorities of opinion) refers to racial minorities. It is a negative stereotype of some racial minorities (particularly Blacks, SE Asians, and Hispanics) in America that they are obnoxiously loud - when they are simply just not conforming to the status quo. With your explanation, what you were trying to say makes complete sense. But when you distill it down to just two words - “loud minorities” - your intention is unfortunately lost. But if I just saw “loud minorities,” as an American native speaker, I would think you were making a disparaging remark that fed into negative stereotypes against some groups of black and brown people. That said, your teacher did not handle this well by taking you out of class and deducting points when it is such a useful teachable moment about culture.
WahooSS238•
There’s many ethnic minorities that are negatively stereotyped as being very loud, at least in the US. He could be referring to that.
BitterDifference•
"Loud" can be a negative term for someone also being disruptive, annoying, or aggressive and is often used as a stereotype that black people are loud. This is definitely the way your teacher interpreted it. A "loud minority" (or vocal minority) is also used to describe when a few people express their opinions more openly than others. It's often meant to mean that the vocal minority is having their opinions heard over the majority and not in a good way. I think that switching silent and loud would have been "more correct" to express what you were trying to say, but if you're a non-native, it's hard to know nuanced meanings behind words. I feel like that's the point behind advanced language classes...your teacher should be much more understanding of that, especially since the thought process you explained makes sense.
Seanattikus•
He may have thought you meant racial minority, rather than people with the minority opinion
fizzile•
I know what you meant and would never have interpreted that wrong, especially with your explanation. I would say it the same way as well.
RasiakSnaps91•
Sounds like a him problem more than a you problem...
Far-Fortune-8381•
loud minority as an english phrase is not rude in any way, and has nothing to do with ethnic minorities or anything like that. it just means that a small number of people in a group are speaking the most about something, making it seem like they represent the group’s needs, opinions and actions when really they are just a “loud minority” and the opinions of the majority of the group are masked or aren’t spoken at all for example, many people think that all teenagers are going crazy at the minecraft movie right now. but really it’s just a loud minority, and most teens are equally annoyed by the popcorn throwing. nothing rude about that sentence but that is the normal and correct usage! in the “positive” column it is not the correct usage. minorities being given a voice and being able to speak up online is not a “loud minority”. that is a fixed phrase specifically referring to the first usage. this is just giving a platform to minorities, which is very different.
Odd_Opportunity_6011•
Someone will be offended regardless of how you say it. Loud minority is perfectly acceptable.
DawnOnTheEdge•
By the dictionary, *minority* is a collective noun for a group of people who are outnumbered. “A loud minority” traditionally means a small but vocal group, in contrast to “the silent majority.” Daniel Gillion’s 2022 book *The Loud Minority: Why Protests Matter in American Democracy* is a recent example that uses the phrase in its original sense. A quick search shows that it’s been cited by a number of African-American authors, who were not offended by it. The earliest use I’ve found of “loud minority” to mean non-White person who makes a lot of noise was a pun by the Black musician Frank Foster. He titled his experimental 1972 jazz album and its lead track “The Loud Minority.” Richard Nixon’s re-election campaign that year was using “the silent majority” as its slogan. The song has the (spoken-word) lyrics, “The Loud Minority is a proud minority! We are a proud people!” (which fits the dictionary definition of “minority” as a collective noun) but also, “The Loud Minority is me!” Ngrams tells me the phrase “women and minoritites” took off in the ’70s and peaked in 1992. From that, “a minority” came to be a slang term for a non-White person, even though dictionaries will tell you this usage is incorrect and lawyers will tell you this is not what it means in a court of law. I’ve even seen some books refer to women, who are numerically the majority, as “minorities.” (It’s similar to how some non-native speakers incorrectly call an episode of a series a “\*serie.”) This is common enough that you might want to avoid misunderstandings.
chronicallylaconic•
It could be interpreted as a criticism, since "loud" tends to have built-in negative connotations. You wouldn't describe a sound as "loud" if you considered it to be the correct volume, and I think what hurt you here might be the (otherwise very intelligent) connection between the "hateful" minorities and the ones which simply exist. If you had elaborated more on your idea - your post isn't exactly clear about how much you did this - it would probably have become clear to the teacher that you weren't being critical of what he understands as "minorities". Bear in mind when native speakers, especially Americans, say "minorities", they rarely mean "Nazis"; though it's technically true, the word tends to be used more to describe racial/sexual/gender-related minorities, so the teacher may have inferred that you were being specifically critical of that group. Hopefully he will be receptive to your explanation whenever you see him next that you accidentally used the word "minorities" too loosely. Your explanation of your idea here is clear and cogent, and it'll serve that purpose just fine, assuming you haven't already said it. Unfortunately, sometimes teachers just take a stand on something and will not discuss it with you, even if they've completely misunderstood you, because they think you're going to say something they don't like and they don't want to hear it. Hopefully the teacher will be more fair to you in this case. I think it's pretty clear he just thought you were using the word "minorities" in the way he best understands, basically "oppressed/hated/stereotyped groups" rather than what you said which is technically true. Does that clear it up at all?
Spoocula•
"vocal minorities" expresses the same idea without the negative connotation.
Weskit•
“A vocal minority” is usually not offensive, as long as you’re not referring specifically to an historically oppressed group. But yes, “loud minorities” sounds very offensive.
Present-Researcher27•
The exact phrase you’re looking for is “vocal minorities”. “Vocal” has a much better connotation than “loud”, which is almost always used negatively. What’s disappointing is that “vocal minority” is a very, very well-known phrase. Your native teacher should have understood what you were trying to say immediately and could have used it as a teachable moment.
Redwalljp•
I’ve got to admit, I think that this is the first time I can recall encountering the term “loud minority”. I don’t think it’s offensive at all. However, instead of getting emotional, your teacher solos have calmly explained any controversial issues related to the term without punishing you. You should only be punished if you knowingly and intentionally do something that will break rules or cause hurt, not because you don’t have the same knowledge or way of thinking as your teacher.
Rando1396•
The term I think you were looking for is “vocal minority”— that doesn’t have the racial connotation that “loud minority”
Fruitsdog•
It’s connotatively mean. “Loud” usually means the sound is unwanted or unnecessary. So it’s kinda like saying “minorities are way too noisy”, which is single minded and absolutely mean.  You mean to say something more like “minorities have a voice”. 
GOKOP•
Find a better teacher.
SnooDonuts6494•
I think you mean "vocal minorities". Social media gives them a platform. Describing any minority as "obnoxious scumbags" is not appropriate in a formal essay, because it isn't objective. You would describe them instead as having potentially divisive views; you could say there is a risk of giving a platform to hate-speech.
kmoonster•
A loud minority in a political sense is just a description. A loud minority demographically or culturally is usually meant as an insult, and is usually racist. The phrase is ambiguous enough that I would avoid trying to use it, at least at this point in your language journey. As for what your teacher intended, I don't know, but it sounds like they handled the situation poorly regardless. The phrase *plus* a discussion of social media is a recipe for trouble. For your sake I hope your teacher was frustrated or exhausted by something else and you just happened to catch their attention at the wrong moment.
Numerous-Mine-287•
Your teacher is an imbecile
OkManufacturer767•
Maybe talk to the teach and explain you didn't understand and meant no disrespect. Ask for those points back because it was a misunderstanding and not an insult. Remind him people in the class aren't learning just English as a language, but learning to not accidently use a phrase like this incorrectly. You shouldn't get behavioral points deducted for something like this.
fjgwey•
The phrase 'loud minorities' has a discriminatory connotation in terms of how racial minorities (usually Black people) are stereotyped as loud or annoying. Both in literal terms, but also figuratively to refer to social activism as making problems where they don't exist. A lot of native speakers might assume this connotation if they are at all socially or politically conscious, though those who aren't, especially those who are not part of minority groups, probably won't notice an issue. I myself immediately thought of this connotation until I read your post. It's unfortunate because it isn't really your fault, and the teacher should've explained this to you. The usual phrase to refer to the idea you're trying to convey is 'vocal minority'. "Loud" as a word in general tends to have a negative connotation, so attaching it to the word 'minorities' is bad phrasing lol
mothwhimsy•
A "loud minority" is usually not referring to a minority group, but a group of people who share a less popular opinion, but are very passionate about it. They're the minority because there are fewer people on their side, but they're loud about it, giving the impression that there are more people on their side. It's not offensive. If you were calling a racial demographic who is often stereotyped as loud "loud minorities" that sounds like a really odd insult
TCsnowdream•
This has been answered. Locking before it gets bad. ![gif](giphy|zUichPk3TEUog9W0y9)
BYNX0•
You’re trying to say “the loud minority” (singular). NOT minorities. Your teacher is an idiot for not realizing what you were trying to say though.
BrutalBlind•
A loud minority has nothing to do with a "social minority", it means a small group of people who make a lot of noise and are overrepresented in discussion spaces but don't represent the opinion of the majority. I have no idea why your teacher treated you that way, though. It isn't exactly offensive, and even if it were you should never be punished for not knowing exactly what something means.
Vernacian•
Your teacher is an idiot. What he should have done is listen to you and advise you how to phrase something like this so as to minimize the risk of offence *through misinterpretation*, but instead he assumed you should already know the subtle nuances that come with talking about complex topics in English and therefore that you intended offence with a mild, simplistic word construction. What you intended to say, I might phrase as "amplification of non-mainstream voices" - which as you explain can be a good and bad thing in the context of social media. "Minorities" to a native speaker *can* mean all sorts of minority groups, but most people's brains initially interpret it as "racial minorities". "Loud" can be pejorative. Almost no-one wants to be described as loud. Therefore what your teacher (stupidly) *heard* was *racial minorities making a lot of noise*. You were trying to make a perfectly reasonable, non-offensive point. Your teacher should have realised that. Your teacher sucks.
AwesomeHorses•
It sounds like a misunderstanding. What you said could be interpreted as “racial minorities who are stereotyped as loud,” even though it sounds like you meant “a small group of people who speak over everyone else to control the narrative in a discussion.”
jsohnen•
Hmm. "Loud" has a negative connotations. "Minorities" may imply racial or ethnic minorities. Both words together could be understood to have negative social connotations. However, your teacher should have explained this and suggested more neutral term like "overrepresented minority opinions." This was not a "behavioral" issue.
Spare-Plum•
Yeah "loud minorities" is a slang/dog whistle for annoying racial minorities. The phrase has a very racist connotation. It is especially used to refer to black people, and loud vocalizations made by them viewed as non-sensible yelling and hollering. This context is generally used to dismiss their opinion and voice. You should not use the phrase. Instead, you should use the phrase "vocal schisms/splinter groups/cliques". Vocal has a much more neutral connotation compared to "loud" (which is often negative), and the other options don't have an explicit connotation to race.
Mcby•
Others have commented on how what you said may've been interpreted, but to provide a better alternative "it gives minorities *a voice*" would be the more appropriate.
scriptingends•
Yes, loud minorities are often offensive.
Strongdar•
It's ridiculous to be an English teacher who overreacts to his student's use of English. Your teacher was being mean. I do think the phrase is typically used in a disparaging way, to imply that the opinion being expressed isn't as widely believed as the loudness of the minority might suggest.
georgia_grace•
You are using the word “minorities” in two different ways, without making the difference clear. In the positive column you are referring to oppressed groups of people. This use of the word “minorities” is correct, although the word “loud” is unfortunate as some racial minorities are stereotyped as loud. In the negative column, you are referring to people who have ideas and opinions that are uncommon. You could say these people are “a minority” or “in the minority” but you wouldn’t refer to them as “minorities,” and ESPECIALLY shouldn’t refer to them as minorities when you’ve just been talking about oppressed minorities a second before. It sounds like a genuine mistake and it’s a shame the teacher punished you instead of having a discussion, but I can understand why the teacher thought you were saying something offensive.
zebostoneleigh•
There must be more to this story. Suggesting an answer to add to a list in a class should not result in you being reprimanded. The answer - that it could go in both columns is reasonable.
fueled_by_caffeine•
“Loud minorities” sounds like a racialised slur. “Outspoken minority” or “vocal minority” expresses what you were trying to convey without the racial connotations.
FuckingTree•
“Loud minority” implies that a minority is being disproportionately over-represented in the medium, which means as well that the minority needs to be suppressed or silenced, which should be obviously bad to do.
perplexedtv•
I would have understood it in a completely different way - small groups of arseholes who make a lot of noise. Certainly not oppressed or otherwise underrepresented people.