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Pronouncing "y" as a short e instead of a long e like ee

Knight271208
I've noticed in British English many people say their "y"s as e instead of the pronunciation in most dictionaries which is ee. For example party as "paa te" instead of "paa tee". Is this proper British English or a dialect of some kind and if so what is it called

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Most_Moose_2637
This probably applies to quite a few British accents. Accents I can see being heard as "parteh": Yorkshire Manchester Some areas of the Northeast Scottish Northern Irish Some Midlands "Partee": Liverpool London Welsh
sandbagger45
What you’re describing could a dome accents in the north of England. Yorkshire and Lancashire for instance.
SnooDonuts6494
Due to the unfortunate demise of Liz 2, we no longer have an official definition of proper British English. Therehenceforthforward, dialects are not illegal.
IncidentFuture
In Received Pronunciation, *the* standard English of England (English English if you will), the Happy vowel is /ɪ/ . The Fleece vowel is /i**ː**/ so is a fairly clearly different. Lax or weak forms of both 'i' and 'e' can by /ɪ/ as in the Kit vowel (in RP). It can also be found in the old North Eastern US accents. I believe General American tends toward /i/ for the Happy vowel due to happy tensing. In my Australian accent, it's /i**ː**/, whether it is the same as the Fleece vowel is debatable (they tend to be different for me). In NZ English Kit, Fleece, and Happy are different phonemes. [https://youglish.com/](https://youglish.com/) is a good source for finding actual pronunciations, although it will lean toward standard dialects and somewhat formal speech.
Fizzabl
Wasn't until I read a northern comment that I even knew how to pronounce the difference between your te and tee. If you mean like "te" from "tent", yeah that's northern dialect. Rest of England will say it with an "eee"
kir_ye
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_close_front_vowels#Happy-tensing
Bunnytob
When you say "short e" - do you mean like the vowel in bit, or the vowel in bet?
ebrum2010
There's probably a dialect somewhere that pronounces any given vowel like any other vowel. In the Southern US, some dialects pronounce the ou in you like /y/, the y in Finnish and the ü in German, like they're saying you and yee at the same time.
LancelotofLkMonona
I believe they pronounce it -eh in Liverpool and maybe also Manchester. It is sort of cute, but people might wonder why a foreigner pronounced it that way if they had not actually lived there.
sqeeezy
BTW there's plenty parts of Britain which pronounce the "r", once you get outside the Home Counties.